tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8969344685134599845.post1387666983101570300..comments2023-04-12T01:12:28.653-07:00Comments on The Indian Shitizen*: Lesson 10: Children of an Abused NationAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06940726266857576700noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8969344685134599845.post-71976855106230127352007-09-09T22:20:00.000-07:002007-09-09T22:20:00.000-07:00Crimson, you got it bang on. Parents it is. Let's ...Crimson, you got it bang on. Parents it is. Let's get hold of them, talk to them. The bus idea is good too. If loudspeakers aren't allowed in buses, maybe we could wear t-shirts with messages, or put up stickers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8969344685134599845.post-67708911425167558222007-09-08T23:19:00.000-07:002007-09-08T23:19:00.000-07:00Indian Shitizen>>>>????????i think Indian Shitize...Indian Shitizen>>>>????????<BR/>i think Indian Shitizen r corrupt netas ,bureaucrats , actors like salman khan ,sanjay dutt,ppl working in bpo,kpo ,top corporate world ,ppl who r rich,elite,fundamentalists,etc etc<BR/>list can never end in india ----the country where there r endless gods ~~~nitty-grittyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15921820742401314387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8969344685134599845.post-58016063764048661392007-09-07T09:26:00.000-07:002007-09-07T09:26:00.000-07:00I don't think you're allowed any kind of propagand...I don't think you're allowed any kind of propaganda inside public transport without prior permission. >_<Mihir Patharehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08575895019429443482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8969344685134599845.post-24356474686479207022007-09-07T08:46:00.000-07:002007-09-07T08:46:00.000-07:00Not an expert on such topics, but I saw "Tulir - C...Not an expert on such topics, but I saw "Tulir - Centre for the Prevention and Healing of Child Sexual Abuse " commenting on J Bo's article. Why not ask them how they have been doing the "Prevention" part; they would also be able to let us know the most common road blocks in taking such an initiative so that we can plan around those and make this effective.<BR/><BR/>Citizen Mo ShaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8969344685134599845.post-81586042135600675962007-09-07T08:24:00.000-07:002007-09-07T08:24:00.000-07:00good idea sector 7!although nithari may be risky t...good idea sector 7!<BR/><BR/>although nithari may be risky too for the same reasons!... needs to be thought thru...<BR/><BR/>i dont feel we can teach children.. i mean the very young ones. a lil elder.. teeny ... may be!<BR/><BR/>well.. one idea.. and may be this is a bit too risky.. <BR/>a lot of incidents happen in buses.. can we enter buses with hand held loudspeakers?<BR/>- no need to directly interact with individuals<BR/>- msg is put across in a relevant context thus better reinforcement<BR/><BR/>the content that we share will need to be suitably created... and the premise here is that evry bus that we enter, there is someone who has faced it, someone who has done it, and someone who intends to do it!<BR/><BR/>am open to modifications of the idea or it simply being shot down.Crimson Feethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04067610255441440761noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8969344685134599845.post-11042831817468066992007-09-07T06:50:00.000-07:002007-09-07T06:50:00.000-07:00Mr. Anonymous is right on target, practically spea...Mr. Anonymous is right on target, practically speaking.<BR/>I have taught in a 2 different schools run by NGOs, but my mind draws a ... a...blank when I think how will I be teaching those same kids about the right & wrong touch.. get them to confide in us.<BR/>I'm open to ideas. I'm ready to implement.<BR/><BR/>Crimson: Nithari was the first place which came to my mind.xpsytorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11332791077754079645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8969344685134599845.post-85810239920878145332007-09-07T06:43:00.000-07:002007-09-07T06:43:00.000-07:00point!!thanks..we need these responses...thanks an...point!!<BR/>thanks..<BR/><BR/>we need these responses...thanks anonymous..<BR/><BR/> my understanding, in light of these words is that, we cant take an aggressive revolutionary stand... nonetheless, we need to at least generate awareness.. may be a gentler more intimate approach... <BR/><BR/>the activity by meenakshi sheshadri's brother did help !!(need to know his name.. may b he is still active).. i am sure even our attempts will work, only if they are sensitively approached...<BR/><BR/>can we have intimate sessions with parents??...<BR/>and why will they belive us? may b cause the ppl who will b speakin to them have themselves faced it?<BR/><BR/>do shitizens see merit in what i am saying?<BR/>especially anonymous...?Crimson Feethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04067610255441440761noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8969344685134599845.post-30475718606007093082007-09-07T05:26:00.000-07:002007-09-07T05:26:00.000-07:00nice, well-intentioned ideas. guys, some 15 years ...nice, well-intentioned ideas. guys, some 15 years after that painful period, i come out with no direct details of any incident. anonymously at that. does that tell you something? this is a delicate issue. most of the time you feel it's all your fault. you want to die of shame. i sure wouldn't want to open up to a 'task force'. i ain't tellin my story to strangers. and why would i trust you with such a personal thing? <BR/>now imagine a small child. with far more fears than i have right now. i think it's a very one-to-one thing you can do only with children who know you and can place their trust in you. don't forget you're just another 'uncle' or 'aunty'.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8969344685134599845.post-76788611221261818602007-09-07T04:03:00.000-07:002007-09-07T04:03:00.000-07:00thats a grt start by jappy boy!!.. what say guys?....thats a grt start by jappy boy!!.. what say guys?... sunny, jbo, mohit, bhalu, sector7, taurean,serendipity, soil n music, the ANONYMOUS frnds, others who came here first recent.... we can put together a task force... even if we manage a few schools in our vicinity i believe we wud have made a difference...Crimson Feethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04067610255441440761noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8969344685134599845.post-7030924926416055242007-09-07T03:52:00.000-07:002007-09-07T03:52:00.000-07:00Well. I think for starters I would like to go arou...Well. I think for starters I would like to go around schools preferably primary/ middle class 3 or 4 schools in rural areas schools for the under previledged and schools for the normal working class people's kids and teach them about a good touch and a bad touch. and If a kid has experienced a bad touch we need to tell him/her that he/she is a victim and ask him/her to shout on top of his/her voice so atleast one of the sane people around can hear and beat the crap out of such monsters. The biggest trauma I experienced was the fact that I thought something was wrong with me which provoked indescent behaviour of these people and almost grew up with this feeling I guess the kids who are victims of such crimes must be told that there is nothing wrong with them.<BR/>btw: I came to konw in NWFP of Pakistan where there is the Taliban and stuff and women are forced to wear an inverted Shuttle cock as a burqa young kids (boys) are used as substitutes for prostitues and this practice is known and acknolewdged by all. I guess this may be happening in our country too. we need to bust such stuff rather than worry about what the left parties are planning to strike about nextJappy Boy/Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16128062349584896529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8969344685134599845.post-56893333821342577942007-09-07T02:36:00.000-07:002007-09-07T02:36:00.000-07:00this is getting too real, too dark and at too fast...this is getting too real, too dark and at too fast a pace... i have been fortunate enuf not to have faced any such "reality" in my life.. (except for a small incident, which i wonder why had escaped my memory completely untill now. i was learning to drive a scooter and an old uncle asked for a lift. i felt proud of getting to drive someone else also and let him sit, while he began to explore my man/boy hood with full freedom.. i was shocked, and we cud have met with an accident if not anythng else!!... didnt affect me much.. but i was confused to no limit!!! i mean WHY the fuck .. there was no logical reason.. untill very late in my life, when i heard abt the existence of gay ppl..)<BR/><BR/>but this is nothing... compared to the pain i am feeling now... i dont even want to imagine what traume all these friends of mine have been through!... <BR/><BR/>if a small 1 week old blog, with almost an infinite insignificance in this universe of www can bring up so many real incidents... i wonder how rampant THIS actually is...!!!<BR/><BR/>this is too damn ugly and i am feeling an urge to SERIOUSLY do whtevet small little we can to curb this... <BR/><BR/>one suggestion... i have been a (non active) member of a community called Elaan that aims to "combat child sexual abuse" --- orkut link http://www.orkut.com/Community.aspx?cmm=24455884 ... may be we can just contact them and ask how we can contribute to their effort... <BR/><BR/>silly official stuff but ... i nominate J Bo... as "our" official rep to forward our support to them..<BR/>Us = ALL of us... those who contribute, those who comment, those who read.. ALL those who know that shitizen exists... <BR/><BR/>any more ideas welcome... i feel we MUST get active abt this ....Crimson Feethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04067610255441440761noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8969344685134599845.post-34800444674077786882007-09-07T01:18:00.000-07:002007-09-07T01:18:00.000-07:00Hi JBo,seems like deja vu to me. Some Idiot was su...Hi JBo,<BR/>seems like deja vu to me. Some Idiot was suggesting it was uncle Sam to blame but beleive me if I were to be touched in the wrong way at a young age I would have preferred some one my age and from the opposite sex. I lost my dad when I was 6 and had an insecure childhood. Frustrated "uncles" in the bus used to use my penis for their personal pleasure (talk about gay rights and sex ed). I was supposed to be cute and guys in their 18s would ask me to strip and use my ass to entertain themselves (as one commented it looked like that of a pornstar). I used to be so ashamed of my Penis. When I was in the 12th my college had introduced this sex awareness initiative where this guy (meenakshi sheshadri's bro) came and taught us about the "good" and the "bad" touch and made me realise that I was a victim of one such thing. I am almost 30 now and every time an unknown man touches me it still sends shivers through my body. Thankfully I have got myself to lead a healthy sexual life.<BR/>So all you bastards and assholes who do this and fucking morons who oppose sex education imagine yourself when you were 12/13 and a 30 yr old man fucking you in the ass just because you didnt know the difference between a good and a bad touch!!<BR/>Guess I gotta go have a bottle of whiskey@! happy Teachers day (teachers highland cream scotch whiskey rocks!!)Jappy Boy/Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16128062349584896529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8969344685134599845.post-35383547067071598822007-09-07T01:13:00.000-07:002007-09-07T01:13:00.000-07:00"why dont you guys look inside home for a change? ..."why dont you guys look inside home for a change? i don't know whether you'll ba able to save an abused nation, but save one child in your neighbourhood. at least."<BR/><BR/>Little Steps lead to the big thing called Change is what we belive in. And it's EXACTLY what you are saying. Even if ONE person prevents it, it works. Please read Soil & Music's response: it takes a whole lot to write all that. And he is thinking right. <BR/><BR/>Soil & Music<BR/>is a thankyou enough ... for sharing that? Yes, i warn my younger cousins. One aunt got pretty mad at me, but warn them nonetheless. Have tried talking to some mothers; it's never been easy.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06940726266857576700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8969344685134599845.post-41105915219800572402007-09-07T00:33:00.000-07:002007-09-07T00:33:00.000-07:00Instances of abuse.I was 12 -13 years old1. A dist...Instances of abuse.<BR/><BR/>I was 12 -13 years old<BR/><BR/>1. A distant cousin of mine, held my mouth shut, pinned me down & tried to pull my shorts down & shove his organ from the back side, when all the elders were in the very next room chatting. I managed to somehow keep up a fight & wriggle out.<BR/><BR/>2. A teacher at school who always pinched my ear blue, caned me till i had blisters for his sexual gratification.<BR/><BR/>3. A swimming coach who always followed me to the deep & tried to touch me,pull down my swim suit, who always followed me to the change rooms.<BR/><BR/>4. At a foot ball camp playing for a wonderful Kerala schools team for All India schools championship, which is played at Ambedkar Stadium, the football coach, thrusted his ugly looking hard one out, when i refused, he did not let me play, made me into a ball boy, at his second attempt, i hit him,he threw me out of the camp. End of football career !<BR/><BR/>Who cares a damn for official reports etc, my foot,i could not even speak about all this to my parents not even to friends. I had to figure it out myself. <BR/><BR/>The predator is there, all the time. He is dangerous.<BR/><BR/>Now, i am 42, i have a ten year old to bring up, i will be truamatised if he has to go through it all. But our relationship is less hierarchical than what it was with my parents, When he started to go for Swimmining lessons, i was wary, diferent coach, different city,different time in history,but i still warned him about the coach...... do not let him touch you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8969344685134599845.post-4490543671559159172007-09-07T00:31:00.000-07:002007-09-07T00:31:00.000-07:00nice comments, these. roadside incidents, mps, con...nice comments, these. roadside incidents, mps, consellors, statistics. nice work.<BR/>now lemme give you the inside story. not statistics and all, but what goes on inside the mind. when you're a little child right in the middle of the process j bo. saw only the beginning of, you're confused. because you dont know what's going on. and scared to stop for fear of the beating that will follow. and these things happen in homes. homes of polished, refined, well-educated people. and when you tell your parents about it, they ask you to shut up because they cant or dont want to offend the relative. such parents exist. and therefore, real statistics dont. it's all accepted and hushed up. did someone mention sex education in schools? well, that may be a tad late. i dont know what the solution is. but when i see people talking of governments and policies and education, i fell like giving them a violent rattle. why dont you guys look inside home for a change? talk to your kids, nephews, nieces, domestic help, neighbours. i dont know whether you'll ba able to save an abused nation, but save one child in your neighbourhood. at least.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8969344685134599845.post-38603206285840352252007-09-06T04:43:00.000-07:002007-09-06T04:43:00.000-07:00@j.boi am here not only to talk. i want to listen....@j.bo<BR/>i am here not only to talk. i want to listen. learn. educate myself in things im unaware or half aware of. im not a pro and might be making more statements which IMO are correct but may not make sense to anyone else. if that is something not to be entertained... i can understand.<BR/><BR/>@serendepity<BR/>forgiveness!<BR/><BR/>@taurius1<BR/>i know i know. i have grown up on it! ;)xpsytorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11332791077754079645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8969344685134599845.post-23148533566501153932007-09-06T04:30:00.000-07:002007-09-06T04:30:00.000-07:001. that was in response to your saying "porn does ...1. that was in response to your saying "porn does not need promotion". i was trying to separate two things here - paedophile by nature AND paedophile by business. please stand corrected i DONT mean its not happening. my whole point was regarding prom0tion. foreigners who came/come here (generally) are not here to satisfy their "child lust" BUT for business. <BR/><BR/>2. hmm... got it maam!!<BR/><BR/>3. IMPROVEMENT: i think 1 + .15 is an improvement of .15 over 1.<BR/>if there will be NO Child Abuse report in year 2008...i guess you want to call THAT improvement. i will call it miracle considering the suddenness of it all (and yes i believe miracles do happen)<BR/>pls read this - http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=32553xpsytorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11332791077754079645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8969344685134599845.post-68178491458635861322007-09-06T04:14:00.000-07:002007-09-06T04:14:00.000-07:00@ sector7Cornering India? India is not a defensele...@ sector7<BR/>Cornering India? India is not a defenseless, helpless little child that can be cornered and not respond or retaliate. The helpless, little children of India though ARE being cornered and abused. And someone needs to raise their voice atleast and bring attention to it.<BR/><BR/>And things are not improving. If you think that a scandal and a case here and there means something is changing. IT IS NOT. Its just being hidden better. Sexual abuse, sex tourism, child trafficking and paedophilia in India is on the rise whether one wants to admit it or not. If you pay attention, on your next trip to a beach in Goa or Kerela, you will find what the sexual predators come looking for.<BR/><BR/>@ crimson<BR/>her bark is sharper than her bite ;) trust me, you ain't seen nothing yet.SIMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04816996608444135020noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8969344685134599845.post-76300684806763619142007-09-06T04:08:00.000-07:002007-09-06T04:08:00.000-07:00HMmm... I've known it happens. I've known it for a...HMmm... I've known it happens. I've known it for a long time now... <BR/>It's kinda obvious in my head. Like an extension of what people in many internet communtiies and I call Rule 34. Roughly put, it says, "If it exists, there is porn of it. There is no exceptions."<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>I'm lucky enough to never have encountered any instances of abuse, with children or otherwise. But I've always wondered what I'd be doing if I did. I'm almost afraid I won't do anything. A couple of years ago, maybe I wouldn't have, and gone on minding my own buisiness. To put it mildly, I've started being a general prick towards people with anti social habits. <BR/><BR/>So let me ramble here, seeing how you really cant prevent me from doing so. :-P<BR/><BR/><BR/>Why does it happen? Mostly coz people find nothing stopping them. <BR/><BR/>I suppose one expects people to be guided by their sense of morals and that sense of right and wrong they're supposed to have imbibed within them while growing up. <BR/><BR/>I suppose in the absence of a proper (controlled?) environment that's promoting a person's sense of right/wrong to conform with society's acceptable standards, we have perverts and miscreants.<BR/><BR/>I suppose each and every one of us should be on the responsible for a) providing our own friends, family, near and dear ones with the courage and support in making sure that any untoward incidents don't happen to them. b) not being hesitant in acting against someone who is misbehaving with someone else<BR/><BR/>But then that's you and me, and everyone else reading this. What are we to do with the people how haven't had the benefit of an upbringing that makes them respect the other person? What are we to do when we're confronted with a person who sees nothing wrong with what he's doing simply because he's not got that bit in his head that tells him it is wrong?<BR/><BR/>At the end of the day, I strive to be the best I can be. I try to make things better for people around me. Thats' the most I've let myself do. : /<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>P.S. Sector7: There's A LOT of indian porn too. You just need to know where to look. ;) Rule 34, remember?Mihir Patharehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08575895019429443482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8969344685134599845.post-68793496666541603082007-09-06T03:51:00.000-07:002007-09-06T03:51:00.000-07:00...and i am sure her dogs dont bite half as much! ......and i am sure her dogs dont bite half as much! ;)Crimson Feethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04067610255441440761noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8969344685134599845.post-25692839457278008432007-09-06T03:35:00.000-07:002007-09-06T03:35:00.000-07:00and if we all end up arguing here...PLEASE lets re...and if we all end up arguing here...PLEASE lets remember, this is not to get personal against anyone. We NEED to talk, debate, argue, understand. Those would be the first steps to DOING something. tks!<BR/><BR/>@ Rahul<BR/>sorry if i was biting in the earlier comment! i have two dogs at home. :PAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06940726266857576700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8969344685134599845.post-26981209948601337562007-09-06T03:32:00.000-07:002007-09-06T03:32:00.000-07:00"how many of it is from India or run by Indians?"R..."how many of it is from India or run by Indians?"<BR/>Rahul, dont you think that's a stupid question? Porn is illegal in India, child-porn is illegal the world over. I REALLY dont see them coming and handing me their names. That apart, IF I do have those names, they will be revealed AFTEr an investigation and WHEN those people can be arrested. And please, don't be dumb to think that if major porn companies do not have Indian names or logos, it's not happening. And in certain countries, porn is legal and a registered movie industry. the 'major' players -- Vivid, for instance -- come from those nations. In India, porn is usually clandestinely filmed. PICK up a Manohar Kahani and you will read MANY stories about BOYFRIENDS gang-raping GFs and making videos.<BR/><BR/>2. "it felt you are "cornering" India."<BR/>Er, Rahul, CORNERING India IS the point of this blog. We like to duck and hide usually, someone needs to corner us. <BR/><BR/>3. The situation you have described here is India in early 2000. Things have considerably been improving..<BR/>Ok, i have not yet read the link posted by Serendipity; however = WHAT situation is improving? The Child Abuse report was released by the Ministry in APRIL 2007. So as of THIS year, we stand at more than half the child population being abused. <BR/><BR/>What is improving????Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06940726266857576700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8969344685134599845.post-11807339084475885722007-09-06T03:19:00.000-07:002007-09-06T03:19:00.000-07:00@j boone question. of all the major internet porn ...@j bo<BR/>one question. of all the major internet porn including child porn , how many of it is from India or run by Indians?<BR/><BR/>@serendepity<BR/>Its good that you are not blaming India. reading your post it felt you are "cornering" India.<BR/><BR/>The situation you have described here is India in early 2000. Things have considerably been improving (if at a struggling pace) since a major scandal broke out in 03? Cannot recall the name... some britishers involved.<BR/><BR/>@crimson<BR/>yep. :Pxpsytorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11332791077754079645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8969344685134599845.post-58623639296547274472007-09-06T02:12:00.000-07:002007-09-06T02:12:00.000-07:00@ sector7no one is blaming India. the 'this is Ind...@ sector7<BR/>no one is blaming India. the 'this is India' comment is meant to be a statement of how the family structure is perpetuating and contributing to the hushed up but true figures (as quoted in the post)<BR/><BR/>read this if you wish to know more - http://sadlynormal.wordpress.com/2007/01/06/india-paedophile-serial-killers-end-nitharis-innocence/<BR/><BR/>as for your comment on paedophilia and child pornography in India...we are slowly becoming the hub of sex tourism and a prime target for paedophile's in S.Asia alongwith Nepal and Thailand. <BR/>Goa, Kerela and Bombay lead in this infamous trade, as per official figures.<BR/><BR/>@ crimson<BR/>:)SIMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04816996608444135020noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8969344685134599845.post-13790223621465135142007-09-06T01:59:00.000-07:002007-09-06T01:59:00.000-07:00ixiuq@ serendipitypeace!PS.At least the appraisal ...ixiuq@ serendipity<BR/><BR/>peace!<BR/><BR/>PS.<BR/>At least the appraisal and bonus is good.<BR/><BR/>@ Sector 7<BR/>see your point. lets not blame 'india'. its a human evil (or disturbing reality!)Crimson Feethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04067610255441440761noreply@blogger.com